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ICM: King Tiger B and Interior
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Posted: Sunday, January 14, 2018 - 02:30 AM UTC


Darren Baker takes a look at the Pz.Kpfw.VI Ausf B King Tiger (Late Production) with Full Interior and Separate Track Links from ICM in 1/35th scale.

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digger303
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Posted: Sunday, January 14, 2018 - 04:36 AM UTC
No mention of the tracks, although I assume they are good from what I can see
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Posted: Sunday, January 14, 2018 - 05:07 AM UTC
All very nice, but on the net you can find the Takom King Tigers w. interiors for $44+ S&H. While I'd rather see before I buy I'd rather buy a Takom rather than an ICM flat-pack kit. In this day and age I've come to expect things like a single piece tub for the chassis. Sad but true.
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Posted: Sunday, January 14, 2018 - 06:13 AM UTC

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All very nice, but on the net you can find the Takom King Tigers w. interiors for $44+ S&H. While I'd rather see before I buy I'd rather buy a Takom rather than an ICM flat-pack kit. In this day and age I've come to expect things like a single piece tub for the chassis. Sad but true.



The flat pack hull I can deal with. But molded on fenders? That's Bandai 1/48th scale circa 1974.

If the Takom is down to $44, you should eventually be able to find this for at about $10 cheaper if you order from Eastern Europe.
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Posted: Sunday, January 14, 2018 - 02:14 PM UTC
Single piece tubs are actually not necessarily the best option if you care about scale thickness (which, in this case, is obviously not the reason).
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Posted: Sunday, January 14, 2018 - 04:10 PM UTC

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In this day and age I've come to expect things like a single piece tub for the chassis



More and more newly tooled kits have multiple pieces (lower) hulls. It probably allows greater accuracy, as well as whole range of vehicles based on the same chassis. Generally, for us, I think there's a lot more to gain than to lose...

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Posted: Sunday, January 14, 2018 - 11:57 PM UTC
i want
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 01:24 AM UTC
I was hoping for a clear hull / turret.
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 09:48 AM UTC
Scale thickness on the HULL? That's actually funny...when was the last time any of you pulled out a micrometer and measured a hull for scale thickness? I thought not. A single piece hull tub allows perfect alignment during the build, meanwhile a single warped piece (and gee you never find those with kits from these high-quality Eastern firms...) and the whole shebang is suitable for chucking. As to variants, that never occurred to me -or any of the other major model firms who typically offer every possible variant from everything they produce. But hey, if you want fiddly tub panels power to you. And a mere $10 less for this versus the Takom kit makes me smile in derision. I'm gonna go back and drool over my Takom kit and smirk for a while longer, waiting only for the release of their new Bergepanther kit!
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 12:27 PM UTC

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Scale thickness on the HULL? That's actually funny...when was the last time any of you pulled out a micrometer and measured a hull for scale thickness? I thought not. A single piece hull tub allows perfect alignment during the build, meanwhile a single warped piece (and gee you never find those with kits from these high-quality Eastern firms...) and the whole shebang is suitable for chucking. As to variants, that never occurred to me -or any of the other major model firms who typically offer every possible variant from everything they produce. But hey, if you want fiddly tub panels power to you. And a mere $10 less for this versus the Takom kit makes me smile in derision. I'm gonna go back and drool over my Takom kit and smirk for a while longer, waiting only for the release of their new Bergepanther kit!



Yup
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 03:55 PM UTC

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A single piece hull tub allows perfect alignment during the build, meanwhile a single warped piece (and gee you never find those with kits from these high-quality Eastern firms...) and the whole shebang is suitable for chucking.



You're obviously not following the latest trends. These are sprue shots of Meng's latest Panther A. I'll be able to elaborate more in about two weeks after I got my copy, but having built a few Meng kits I'm quiet confident no 'fiddling' will be involved...







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I'm gonna go back and drool over my Takom kit and smirk for a while longer, waiting only for the release of their new Bergepanther kit!



...which will probably have a multi-piece lower hull.
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 05:49 PM UTC

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Scale thickness on the HULL? That's actually funny...when was the last time any of you pulled out a micrometer and measured a hull for scale thickness? I thought not. A single piece hull tub allows perfect alignment during the build, meanwhile a single warped piece (and gee you never find those with kits from these high-quality Eastern firms...) and the whole shebang is suitable for chucking. As to variants, that never occurred to me -or any of the other major model firms who typically offer every possible variant from everything they produce. But hey, if you want fiddly tub panels power to you. And a mere $10 less for this versus the Takom kit makes me smile in derision. I'm gonna go back and drool over my Takom kit and smirk for a while longer, waiting only for the release of their new Bergepanther kit!



I promise that some members would have picked me up on it.
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 09:51 PM UTC
I hope so!
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 01:29 AM UTC
"Following the latest trends"? Really? I had no idea that good engineering -or its opposite- was a trend. Odd that my Takom King Tiger is a one-piece tub, as is everything from Dragon, Tamiya, AFV, etc. We in the community used to laugh in derision at the poor companies that couldn't cast one-piece hulls and referred to them as "flat packs" to show our scorn, and now you're saying its a trend? Do you work for or in any way represent ICM? I only through that out as only someone with a vested interest would prefer flat pack multi-piece hulls to a cast one.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 01:41 AM UTC

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Do you work for or in any way represent ICM? I only through that out as only someone with a vested interest would prefer flat pack multi-piece hulls to a cast one



My point is that multi-piece huls are NOT NECESSARY worse than the tub type. Period. You're obviously having a hard time to accept that, that's fine, it's your call. Oh, one more thing: the idea of yours about 'vested interest' and me working for ICM is pure idiocy.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 03:03 AM UTC
Multi-part lower hulls do offer the possibility of far better detail being moulded on.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 04:54 AM UTC
I've had warped single-piece tubs, in particular, a Tiger l from Dragon - and I know that wasn't the only one. And a warped tub is a lot harder to straighten than a single warped plate from a multi-piece assembly.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 07:30 AM UTC
Was a cheap shot, saying that you might have a vested interest, but referring to it as an example of the latest trend made me wonder, so I'll take what you have to say and feel appropriately chastised, though I in no way agree, but each of us has the right to express any reasonable opinion which is why this site is so great. Also don't agree on the far greater detail part as I've got some pretty impressive examples of one-piece hulls having amazing detail and while a warped hull would be irritating I've so far been fortunate and count my blessings. My point was that if you're out even a mil or two the problem can so screw-up the fit of later panels as to make it almost hopeless to correct. I find that starting with a straight hull provides a good base for a straight build without wondering why the hull roof doesn't line up. Enough said. I just really didn't like the latest trend quote as if I'd been hiding in a room with a vast stash of kits and no sunlight for far too long...no wait, that IS me.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 05:27 PM UTC
Frank: your point has merit and as with so many things related to the hobby tends to be a matter of preference. I will say that due to the single bag approach favoured by ICM it does mean there is a risk of bowing occurring; not in this case though. I have purchased models from a number of companies and encountered moulding issues including warped parts that include flat and tub offerings. the worst I ever purchased was a Trumpeter model that had a short shot lower hull that amounted to four separate parts with a lot of plastic and filler required rather than one single part. The purpose of this response is to highlight that no method or approach is without risk and has to be looked at on a case by case manner.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 05:51 PM UTC
Speaking for myself, I cut my teeth building 1/72 armor where everything was flat pack hull. I can see and correct any warping pretty easy as I have had lots of experience. But, warped one piece hulls I usually never figure out until huge gaps appear or wheels float. It looked straight, the ruler said it was straight, but its not.

I'm much better at fixing my mistakes with misaligned hulls than the results of a misaligned mold.

But molded on fenders like that are just so wrong . Doesnt that mean that the hull underneath doesnt have quite the right angle?