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WWII village diorama
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Posted: Monday, October 18, 2010 - 10:55 PM UTC
Hello everybody!
Some time ago there was Miniart Campaign on Armorama.com. I wanted to participate, Iíve even bought all kits I wanted to use butÖ wellÖ reality strikes. It appears that two kids require much more time and attention than one . Campaign ended without a slightest sing of my participation.
I decided to build the diorama anyway and since it is figure only I decided to present it here on HF.

Due to lack of time Iíve been making pictures from time to time only and not after each step.
Here are the kits Iím planning to use.


I donít want to write to much about them. You can find the review of German Soldiers HERE and Woman with Daughter HERE

Building horses was quite pleasant: parts fit perfectly and only minor sanding was necessary. PE parts are great but I did not use the whole bridles Ė to achieve realistic look Iíd have to completely remove the bridals moulded on original heads and then replace them with the PE one. I used only reins attaching them to original plastic heads of horses. I also attached girths but I plan to paint saddles separately and attach them afterwards (painting horse with stirrups hanging on the way would be too annoying for me ). Horseshoes are also PE and are also in place already.
Anyway: here are plastic parts of one of the horses prior to assembly:

And here are partially painted horses:







Iíve let horses to dry a bit and painted the girl and her mother. They are not the best sculpts Iíve seen and painting them was not too easy form me Ė details are not really well defined and I really donít like painting not existing features. It never turns out as well as painting nicely sculpted figure. Another thing is that the girl is really tinyÖ Since the diorama is going to be painted in rather subdued colors I wanted to make this girl a brightest spot of whole surrounding. I use strong and rather happy colors: red coat, green dress and deep blue scarf. Also the dolly the girl is carrying is painted as dressed in traditional clothes.







Motherís figure is also not the nicest Iíve seen. Nevertheless it is basically painted in dull, every-day cloth colors. It came out pretty boring this way and I decided to add more life to the figure by painting her headscarf with flowery embroidery. I started with just a shape painted black.


Then Iíve added colors:






Well thatís all for now. I hope to post some more soon.
Constructive criticism will be highly appreciated!
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Posted: Monday, October 18, 2010 - 11:36 PM UTC
looking good mate
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Posted: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - 02:46 AM UTC
Andrzej, Your painted horse looks great and I like where I see this one going. Being a bit of a rider I question the second set of reins set back from the front. I'm not sure about the German calvary, but I think the attachment there, ( a single loop? ) is for a teather line and should not be a set of reins. Anyone knowing better than me can chime in at any time. Even the box art shows them there but I'm not real sure. Those Germans were tricky equipment nuts so they might be just right. O.K., google will be my friend, here I go...
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Posted: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - 04:12 AM UTC
Andrzej, the girl will be a focusing point of you dio with her red coat.
I like the idea with flowers on mother's headscarf.
Now some criticism:
1. From pics you've posted I would say that horses' chest would benefit from a bit of putty to hide joining seam but it may be just a matter of pictures.
2. why girth is glued so high, is it temporary? you won't be able to put saddle in place with such configuration besodes that doesn't make any sense when you take into considaration that you attach girth to 'przystuły' (unfortunately my dictionary doesn't have too many riding terms).
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Posted: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - 06:46 AM UTC
Simon, Bob, Marcin - thanks for comments!

@ Bob
I've seen many types of bridles, also the "double-ringed" (I have no idea what is the propper name for these on my horses). As far as I know it is easier to make horse turn when it has reins attached to the bit right next to the mouth but it can be stopped much easier if the rein is on longer bridal - maybe that's the point? Kill me if I know. Not being sure (and finding faaar too many references I've decided to follow the instruction).

@ Marcin
Putty is already in place but it seems I've overdosed shading just a bit... and the pictures are high-contrast so it did not help either.
As for the saddle - girth should go exactly as on your picture, but the saddles in the kit has only flap (tybinka duża) with the knee roll and billets you attach girth by are covered under the flap anyway. There is just no other way to attach the saddle in this kit. Girth is a little bit too long in my oppinion anyway, but as long as it is covered with the saddle it doesn't really matter.

Once againt thanks for comments!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - 09:53 PM UTC
Good work Andrzej.Looking forward to seeing more. We're running another Dio campaign soon on Armorama- this time an Urban one
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Posted: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - 11:41 PM UTC

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Girth is a little bit too long in my oppinion anyway, but as long as it is covered with the saddle it doesn't really matter.


Have you test fitted saddle with girth glued so high?
There may be a problem with proper sit of saddle on the horse

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Posted: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 12:47 AM UTC
Pat, thanks for watching and for invitation, but knowing my current speed on building models it would have to be scheduled on 2015


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Have you test fitted saddle with girth glued so high?


Sure thing mate It fits tight but it fits.

I started painting German soldiers using Vallejo acrylics. Still learning on how to paint with them, sitll not sure about effects, but sitll finding these paints better and better.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 03:19 AM UTC
Andrzej, when in doubt, follow the directions! I latter googled and came up with a lot more info than I wanted. I was not sure before I asked as I had never seen a set up like that before, double reins. I have seen set ups as such before, double rings, but have always used it for a teather line. Was curious and pulled out the kit and it is evedent on the artwork and I know Ron V. is a stickler for correct details. Hope I remember this when I build it down the road. Just started using Vallejo paints myself and think they are better than my old brand, easier to blend for skin tones.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 03:57 AM UTC

... I like to see civilians and military together in times of war.
Unfortunately, the reality is. Children and women involved in the war. .... Jorge.
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Posted: Sunday, October 24, 2010 - 12:26 AM UTC
Here's a picture of german WWII cavalry
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Posted: Monday, October 25, 2010 - 12:18 AM UTC
@Bob - today (if my kids allow me to) I'm planning to paint uniforms of soldiers with Vallejo's Panzer Aces series paints. Feldgrau trausers and Feldgrun (also marked as Feldgrau on paints) blouses... will see the results...

@ Jorge - thanks for checking on my progress! You are righ concernign civilians on dioramas...

@ Marcin - I know this photo (from WW2 in color I believe). My soldiers will be wearing M36 blouses.
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Posted: Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 08:57 AM UTC
Iím back after quite long breakÖ unfortunately I was not able to build/paint much in this time.
Here you can see the results. Iíve managed to add saddles to horses and basically paint them (I still have some details to work with) and Iíve built the base OOB. Well, not exactly OOB Ė you can see that the ceiling of the attic is now made as with the wooden boarding. Originally it was just negative reflection of tilesÖ I found it extremely unaesthetic so I decided to cover it.










I still have no idea how to finish the houseís interior: Iím thinking about making a kitchen in the ground floor and maybe a sleeping room in the attic. It means Iíd have to make some furniture, some carpet, maybe some painting on the walls (icon or some kind of religious painting would match I thinkÖ Iím still searching for one particular painting I remember from my Grandmotherís house).
Iím also going to plant a tree or a shrub in the garden right next to the fence.

Anyway... I hope to have it finished this year (yeah... right... )

Andrzej
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Posted: Sunday, December 12, 2010 - 08:09 PM UTC
Nice work with the attic.
One simple solution may help you: colour printer. In the web you will find pictures of carpets, wallpapers, paintings etc. Use thin paper like for dot matrix printers and you should get everything you need much quicker .
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Posted: Monday, December 27, 2010 - 10:44 PM UTC

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Nice work with the attic.
One simple solution may help you: colour printer. In the web you will find pictures of carpets, wallpapers, paintings etc. Use thin paper like for dot matrix printers and you should get everything you need much quicker .



useful tip
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Posted: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 - 12:46 AM UTC
http://www.printmini.com/printables/whatscale.shtml
Please read 1 inch scale to convert it 1/35 and then see the full list. there is wallpaper and flooring on the list.
happy new year
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Posted: Monday, January 10, 2011 - 09:17 AM UTC
First of all Ė thanks for watching and very useful tips!
Model making and even writing/posting is very difficult for me. I havenít slept properly for over four months and daytime is quite exhausting as well Ė being a father of two kids rules
AnywayÖ here is small progress from my side: base is basically painted, some paint chipping has been made (salt technique). Right now Iím in the middle of door painting. Next step will be to weather whole thing, than add vegetation (I want to plant some tree in the garden on the right), windows and figures (also requiring finishingÖ I havenít moved on since last post about them).
I do hope you like it.




A.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 10:02 PM UTC
I'm back with small update...
It seems that the model making time is down to almost 0 for me but I've managed to almost finish the figures of Wehrmacht horsmen.
This was first time I've painted with acrylics - I used paints from Vallejo's Panzer Acess series to paint uniforms and other Vallejos for faces and parts of equipment. Some Humbrols were in use as well.
Anyway - here they are, still helmetless but almost done.










I hope to be able to make some more updates sooner than later (today I want to take few pictures of mother and her daughter on temporary base I've made for them for last month show purpose).

A.
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2011 - 01:33 AM UTC
I thought you gave up and dropped this project.

Nicely done painting although chin strap seems a bit to wide.
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2011 - 02:27 AM UTC
Hey Andrzej, good to see this one back again. Thought it ended up in the (I'll get to it one of these days cabinet), Everything looks good but the seam on the horse chest really stands out bad. Hopefully you can redo it some. The paint job is really good too. One thing I noticed is the riders left leg/thigh seems to be well away from the flank of the horse. Is this just the way it fits or did you make it that way. Normally riders clamp thier legs close in as it helps hold them on and in some cases riders stear with thier legs leaving the hands free to do what ever. Just wondering if the kit fits that way so when I build mine I know to keep an eye on it. Just looked at the art work on the box and see the saddle bags will hide some of this. Anyway, looks good to go so far.
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2011 - 08:24 PM UTC
Hi! Thanks for reading guys!
Marcin, as fo chin straps - have you ever seen Dragon's Gen2 figures? Head comes in two pieces: the face and the rest of the head - in this kit the rest was much wider than the face and the chin strap is the joint area...
Horse's chest... yes... I'm trying to kick myself in the butt and work on it but man, I'm so lazy... and I do hate to make corrections of something so advanced in progress... I'm telling myslef "It's just 1cm on one horse you have to correct" but it doesn't work
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 01:16 AM UTC

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Marcin, as fo chin straps - have you ever seen Dragon's Gen2 figures? Head comes in two pieces: the face and the rest of the head - in this kit the rest was much wider than the face and the chin strap is the joint area...



I know what ou mean. It's hard to get rid off chin straps not destoying half of details on face. I left them untouched my self but I hate the way they look.
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Posted: Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 08:18 AM UTC
love the horse
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Posted: Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 08:43 AM UTC

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love the horse


Thanks mate! But which one?
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Posted: Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 02:13 AM UTC
Andrzej, I like what you have done so far. The horses and the diorama base/building look great. I do, however, have a few comments about the figures; particularily the mother and daughter. The very first thing that jumped out at me were the eyes. They are very unnatural. The common mistake a lot of figure painters make is to fill in the eye ball area with while paint and then plop a dot of dark paint in the middle to represent the iris. If you take a look at a human eye, you can even look at your own using a mirror, you will notice a few things:

1. The whites of your eyes aren't really white
2. Unless the persons is bug eyed, the top of the iris is actually covered about 1/4 or 1./ of the way by the top eye lid. so essentially you do not see all of the iris, only the bottom 3/4
3. The eye itself should be outlined to imitate deep shadows (recess).

Take a look at this paint job: Dan Capuano's 1/9 scale bust It is of larger scale but the same principles apply.

The other thing I noticed was lack of transitional outlines. What I mean by that is for example where the scarf meets the coat you go from white to brown with nothing in between. I would like to see there a hint of a darker brown outline at the very edge of the scarf. This will give that area depth.

The same is true for the girl's shoes and the pants/hoses. There needs to be a transition in that area.

I hope my comments were somewhat helpful. These are all just my observations and suggestions (things I would have definitely done).